"Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com> wrote in
message news:4050c9ae$0$10717$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
> Call Manager as a software product is very reliable. There are issues
> that come and go, but nothing that would dramatically affect system
> uptime or reliability. It is important to note, that the vast
> majority of failed installations that I have come across have not been
> due to software reliability, but rather "system reliability". An
> IP-PBX as a system reaches farther beyond the actual switching
> software. Now there is a network, switches, etc that must be worried
> about. The system generally fails because of a poor network
> infrastructure, inadequate infrastructure upgrades, or simply bad
> network design.

Or the OS hangs

>
> Louis
> --
> Louis Marascio
> louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com
>
>
>
> "voip survey 2004" <voipsurvey2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:88e6484f.0403091850.12b479cd@posting.google.com...
> > Hello,
> > I am collecting information on the commercial viability of Cisco
> Call
> > Manager. In particular, I want to find out how many installations
> are
> > un-installed due to user dissatisfaction.
> >
> > For instance, I have first-hand knowledge of 20 installations, 1 of
> > which has been remove, and 9 have resulted in the customer
> expressing
> > their dissatisfaction through their lawyers.
> >
> > I will summarize and post the results.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > [DO NOT REMOVE:1111000001100001000010101101101000100111]
>
>

This has never happened to me in 2 years.


"Nortec in MN" <Nortel@Frontier-deletethistoreply-Net.net> wrote in message
news:PP_4c.2823$AJ3.10@news02.roc.ny...
>
> "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com> wrote in
> message news:4050c9ae$0$10717$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
> > Call Manager as a software product is very reliable. There are issues
> > that come and go, but nothing that would dramatically affect system
> > uptime or reliability. It is important to note, that the vast
> > majority of failed installations that I have come across have not been
> > due to software reliability, but rather "system reliability". An
> > IP-PBX as a system reaches farther beyond the actual switching
> > software. Now there is a network, switches, etc that must be worried
> > about. The system generally fails because of a poor network
> > infrastructure, inadequate infrastructure upgrades, or simply bad
> > network design.
>
> Or the OS hangs
>
> >
> > Louis
> > --
> > Louis Marascio
> > louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com
> >
> >
> >
> > "voip survey 2004" <voipsurvey2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:88e6484f.0403091850.12b479cd@posting.google.com...
> > > Hello,
> > > I am collecting information on the commercial viability of Cisco
> > Call
> > > Manager. In particular, I want to find out how many installations
> > are
> > > un-installed due to user dissatisfaction.
> > >
> > > For instance, I have first-hand knowledge of 20 installations, 1 of
> > > which has been remove, and 9 have resulted in the customer
> > expressing
> > > their dissatisfaction through their lawyers.
> > >
> > > I will summarize and post the results.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > [DO NOT REMOVE:1111000001100001000010101101101000100111]
> >
> >
>
>

Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
robust clustering support.

Louis
--
Louis Marascio
louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com



"Nortec in MN" <Nortel@Frontier-deletethistoreply-Net.net> wrote in
message news:PP_4c.2823$AJ3.10@news02.roc.ny...
>
> "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com> wrote
in
> message news:4050c9ae$0$10717$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
> > Call Manager as a software product is very reliable. There are
issues
> > that come and go, but nothing that would dramatically affect
system
> > uptime or reliability. It is important to note, that the vast
> > majority of failed installations that I have come across have not
been
> > due to software reliability, but rather "system reliability". An
> > IP-PBX as a system reaches farther beyond the actual switching
> > software. Now there is a network, switches, etc that must be
worried
> > about. The system generally fails because of a poor network
> > infrastructure, inadequate infrastructure upgrades, or simply bad
> > network design.
>
> Or the OS hangs
>
> >
> > Louis
> > --
> > Louis Marascio
> > louis at no spam dot louismarascio dot com
> >
> >
> >
> > "voip survey 2004" <voipsurvey2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:88e6484f.0403091850.12b479cd@posting.google.com...
> > > Hello,
> > > I am collecting information on the commercial viability of Cisco
> > Call
> > > Manager. In particular, I want to find out how many
installations
> > are
> > > un-installed due to user dissatisfaction.
> > >
> > > For instance, I have first-hand knowledge of 20 installations, 1
of
> > > which has been remove, and 9 have resulted in the customer
> > expressing
> > > their dissatisfaction through their lawyers.
> > >
> > > I will summarize and post the results.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > [DO NOT REMOVE:1111000001100001000010101101101000100111]
> >
> >
>
>

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam
dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:

>Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
>robust clustering support.
>
>Louis


Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your primary
dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory, music
on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all of
the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
function dies.


-Chris

Like you said, it depends on set up

You can set up multiple tftp servers with mirror images from the publisher.
You can do the same thing with the directory and services. If you want to
really get into it you can set up multiple servers behind a load balancer.
You can put in as much redundancy as you want on top of whats there by
default.

The Call Manager application is stable and works well. People need to stop
hating it because it's Cisco.


<chris@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:o11d50titg90dk848j9ediro8ld6f3c26b@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam
> dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:
>
> >Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
> >robust clustering support.
> >
> >Louis
>
>
> Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your primary
> dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
> functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory, music
> on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all of
> the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
> function dies.
>
>
> -Chris

People need to stop pushing Cisco cause its the only product they know too.


"Arcaidy" <Arcaidy@mailcity.commmm> wrote in message
news:2tD5c.34414$Zp.10159@fed1read07...
> Like you said, it depends on set up
>
> You can set up multiple tftp servers with mirror images from the
publisher.
> You can do the same thing with the directory and services. If you want to
> really get into it you can set up multiple servers behind a load balancer.
> You can put in as much redundancy as you want on top of whats there by
> default.
>
> The Call Manager application is stable and works well. People need to stop
> hating it because it's Cisco.
>
>
> <chris@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:o11d50titg90dk848j9ediro8ld6f3c26b@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam
> > dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:
> >
> > >Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
> > >robust clustering support.
> > >
> > >Louis
> >
> >
> > Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your primary
> > dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
> > functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory, music
> > on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all of
> > the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
> > function dies.
> >
> >
> > -Chris
>
>

Many IT people simply don't know any better. Many of us also jump on the
VoIP bandwagon without having a clue as to why. There are a lot of
misinformation regarding the "benifits" of VoIP and the best application of
the technology (where appropriate and cost effective).

"DPGumby" <majorr_gowenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:opQ5c.6639$Eb6.200827@news20.bellglobal.com...
> People need to stop pushing Cisco cause its the only product they know
too.
>
>
> "Arcaidy" <Arcaidy@mailcity.commmm> wrote in message
> news:2tD5c.34414$Zp.10159@fed1read07...
> > Like you said, it depends on set up
> >
> > You can set up multiple tftp servers with mirror images from the
> publisher.
> > You can do the same thing with the directory and services. If you want
to
> > really get into it you can set up multiple servers behind a load
balancer.
> > You can put in as much redundancy as you want on top of whats there by
> > default.
> >
> > The Call Manager application is stable and works well. People need to
stop
> > hating it because it's Cisco.
> >
> >
> > <chris@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:o11d50titg90dk848j9ediro8ld6f3c26b@4ax.com...
> > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam
> > > dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
> > > >robust clustering support.
> > > >
> > > >Louis
> > >
> > >
> > > Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your primary
> > > dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
> > > functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory, music
> > > on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all of
> > > the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
> > > function dies.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Chris
> >
> >
>
>

I'm not pushing Cisco..
I am just telling my experience.
Get over it.


"DPGumby" <majorr_gowenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:opQ5c.6639$Eb6.200827@news20.bellglobal.com...
> People need to stop pushing Cisco cause its the only product they know
too.
>
>
> "Arcaidy" <Arcaidy@mailcity.commmm> wrote in message
> news:2tD5c.34414$Zp.10159@fed1read07...
> > Like you said, it depends on set up
> >
> > You can set up multiple tftp servers with mirror images from the
> publisher.
> > You can do the same thing with the directory and services. If you want
to
> > really get into it you can set up multiple servers behind a load
balancer.
> > You can put in as much redundancy as you want on top of whats there by
> > default.
> >
> > The Call Manager application is stable and works well. People need to
stop
> > hating it because it's Cisco.
> >
> >
> > <chris@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:o11d50titg90dk848j9ediro8ld6f3c26b@4ax.com...
> > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam
> > > dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
> > > >robust clustering support.
> > > >
> > > >Louis
> > >
> > >
> > > Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your primary
> > > dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
> > > functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory, music
> > > on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all of
> > > the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
> > > function dies.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Chris
> >
> >
>
>

I agree that there are many things to look at when thinking about VOIP. We
install what we think fits best.
I will say that VOIP is being installed more often now and is not excluded
on any project. VOIP is the future though.
Even Nortel is trying to push it on us.


"Nortec in MN" <Nortel@Frontier-deletethistoreply-Net.net> wrote in message
news:6CR5c.154$FV6.9@news02.roc.ny...
> Many IT people simply don't know any better. Many of us also jump on the
> VoIP bandwagon without having a clue as to why. There are a lot of
> misinformation regarding the "benifits" of VoIP and the best application
of
> the technology (where appropriate and cost effective).
>
> "DPGumby" <majorr_gowenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:opQ5c.6639$Eb6.200827@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > People need to stop pushing Cisco cause its the only product they know
> too.
> >
> >
> > "Arcaidy" <Arcaidy@mailcity.commmm> wrote in message
> > news:2tD5c.34414$Zp.10159@fed1read07...
> > > Like you said, it depends on set up
> > >
> > > You can set up multiple tftp servers with mirror images from the
> > publisher.
> > > You can do the same thing with the directory and services. If you want
> to
> > > really get into it you can set up multiple servers behind a load
> balancer.
> > > You can put in as much redundancy as you want on top of whats there by
> > > default.
> > >
> > > The Call Manager application is stable and works well. People need to
> stop
> > > hating it because it's Cisco.
> > >
> > >
> > > <chris@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:o11d50titg90dk848j9ediro8ld6f3c26b@4ax.com...
> > > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no
spam
> > > > dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
> > > > >robust clustering support.
> > > > >
> > > > >Louis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your
primary
> > > > dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
> > > > functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory,
music
> > > > on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all
of
> > > > the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
> > > > function dies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

I have a DT-24+ for call manager. Let me know if you are interested.

Dave


"Arcaidy" <Arcaidy@mailcity.commmm> wrote in message news:<pf36c.36277$Zp.20370@fed1read07>...
> I'm not pushing Cisco..
> I am just telling my experience.
> Get over it.
>
>
> "DPGumby" <majorr_gowenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:opQ5c.6639$Eb6.200827@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > People need to stop pushing Cisco cause its the only product they know
> too.
> >
> >
> > "Arcaidy" <Arcaidy@mailcity.commmm> wrote in message
> > news:2tD5c.34414$Zp.10159@fed1read07...
> > > Like you said, it depends on set up
> > >
> > > You can set up multiple tftp servers with mirror images from the
> publisher.
> > > You can do the same thing with the directory and services. If you want
> to
> > > really get into it you can set up multiple servers behind a load
> balancer.
> > > You can put in as much redundancy as you want on top of whats there by
> > > default.
> > >
> > > The Call Manager application is stable and works well. People need to
> stop
> > > hating it because it's Cisco.
> > >
> > >
> > > <chris@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:o11d50titg90dk848j9ediro8ld6f3c26b@4ax.com...
> > > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:13:32 -0600, "Louis Marascio" <louis at no spam
> > > > dot louismarascio dot com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Even if this was a major problem, thats why CallManager has fairly
> > > > >robust clustering support.
> > > > >
> > > > >Louis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Referring to CM as clustering is a serious misnomer. If your primary
> > > > dies, the phones will fail-over to a secondary (or third), but some
> > > > functions will no longer work. For example corporate directory, music
> > > > on hold, etc. Depends on your setup, but the point is that not all of
> > > > the phones functions have fail-over if the server providing that
> > > > function dies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >